Talk:Sid Vicious

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Fender Precision...American Classic?[edit]

In the late 1970's Fender (i surrender)didn't made Classic reissues, they were issued in the 1980's.Francodamned (talk) 04:50, 10 January 2010 (UT

Bail security[edit]

Anyone got a ref for this? Turkeyphant 13:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Sottolacqua (talk) 14:00, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, seems we need a more authoritative source - there are different figures all over the web. Furthermore, there is evidence to suggest the bail security was later reduced but, although I'm not sure of historical exchange rates, £25,000 isn't much less than $50,000. We need the correct numbers in GBP for for values. Turkeyphant 19:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
If bail was set for an American judicial system, why do the GBP values need to be displayed at all? An American judge would not set bail in a foreign currency. Sottolacqua (talk) 20:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Musicianship[edit]

Considering the discussion about his bass playing skills, one look at the Sex Pistols' Live At The Longhorn DVD and it's pretty clear Sid couldn't play to save his life. Lemmy and Jones were right. Viv Albertine's story about Sid's night with a Ramones LP is interesting but obviously didn't improve his skills a lot. I'm not sure if this anecdote should be in the article. Any thoughts? 109.178.117.14 (talk) 16:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

True, he was awful on that, but some of the audio recordings from the US tour do include (fairly) competent basslines, so I wonder if he was just off his face at the Longhorn. 81.157.202.39 (talk) 14:42, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
I think any musician will tell you that this story of "one night he stayed up to practise and -- lo and behold -- afterwards he could play" is rubbish. On the contrary, this indicates that he (almost) never practised and therefore corroborates the version that he was an inept bass player. Maikel (talk) 10:17, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
He sounds like he knows how to play his instrument on the surviving live recordings from 1977-1978, aside from being out of tune a lot. But Steve Jones was out of tune a lot too. FWIW, he sings like someone who actually had a little musical training. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 02:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Removed content from "Death" section[edit]

I've removed this:

as it seems unduly speculative and unsupported by any authoritative research- in other words, although I haven't seen the film, it's a documentary maker's theory and is sourced to IMDB, which may not be reliable in rendering the detail. It is also described there as "pulp television", which does not satisfy our requirement for reliable sourcing. If anyone has a better source than this, please feel free to add it, but for the time being, I don't believe it meets our criteria. Rodhullandemu 18:24, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

      • Usual Wikipedia consistency... death date in first line doesn't match that in right hand column. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.162.82 (talk) 14:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Cause of death?[edit]

Also, not sure if this is related, the introduction says Sid's mother supplied the heroin but killed him, but the Death section says it was given to him by a friend. Which one is right? Or did his mother get the friend to supply it to Sid? It's not clear. GavSalkeld (talk) 00:02, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Sid's ashes[edit]

I'm sure there was a story that Sid's mum dropped the urn and spilled Sid's ashes all over Heathrow airport. Am I imagining it? Mr Larrington (talk) 14:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

This occurrence is alluded to in Johnny Rotten's autobiography. However, he didn't witness it in person. Maikel (talk) 09:36, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Sid's first gig[edit]

The current entry is incorrect. Sid played with the Pistols for the first time on 21st March 1977 at Notre Dame Hall, Leicester Square, London (now Leicester Square Theatre). The Screen on the Green date is cited in nearly all accounts I've read, but is nonetheless incorrect.

To confirm, I so far have a reference from the offical Pistols site http://www.sexpistolsofficial.com/biography/gig-archive-1975-2008, a flyer here http://www.philjens.plus.com/pistols/pistols/posters_roxy_notre.htm, documentation here http://www.herestheartwork.co.uk/viewAlbum.php?id=1639, plus one single photograph of Sid playing on the stage at the venue. The Pistols played Notre Dame twice from what I gather: November 1976 with Matlock, and March 1977 with Vicious. The oft-quoted March 1976 date is erroneous.

I don't want to mess up the existing entry with my poor editing, so will someone else do the honours? Stark69 (talk) 15:01, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Image[edit]

I feel that the image used in the Infobox at the top of the screen should be an actual photograph, not an artist's impression. Any thoughts?--- RusselNorthrop (Talk2Me--Contribs) 07:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Natt the Hatt (talk) 05:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

His iconic 1978 NYPD mugshot isn't suitable for Commons, but I believe would be available under "fair use" for Wikipedia, per an email discussion I had with the State of NY FOI office last year (scroll down about 3/4 of the page). Weedwhacker128 (talk) 16:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

A picture of him onstage would be good wouldn't it?--Jacoblikesmetal (talk) 09:39, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Would this be a good image to use for his page? [1]. Would need someone to upload it though as I don't know details aboout it.--Jacoblikesmetal (talk) 09:28, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how to put a new picture in but dang does it need to be changed like immediately. Why the heck would someone put that pic there? He needs a real photo! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koxblox (talkcontribs) 22:28, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I do not believe thats gary oldman,im pretty sure its actually sid71.47.143.44 (talk) 01:47, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Never Mind The Reunion, Here's Sid Vicious album[edit]

There was a live album released under this name that isn't mentioned, should we try and find some information on it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacoblikesmetal (talkcontribs) 08:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

references[edit]

Does anyone have a reference confirming the shoving incident in a recording studio with Freddie Mercury of Queen? 22yearswothanks (talk) 01:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

This incident was recalled in the Queen film documentary Days of Our Lives, I think by either Roger Taylor or Brian May. I do not remember the exact details but it involved Mercury and Vicious having some altercation in a studio, so the statement in the article is probably correct. 86.171.42.173 (talk) 02:44, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Sid Vicious[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sid Vicious's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "uncut":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 15:43, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

'Confession'[edit]

'Before her death in 1996, his mother Anne confessed to journalist Alan Parker that she then purposely administered a fatal dose of heroin to Vicious. After broadcast of this TV documentary it later came out in interview that Parker was lied to by the production team behind the show in order to make his 'confession'.'

Second sentence doesn't appear to mean anything, and does not seem to relate to the first. Valetude (talk) 18:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Lacking Encyclopedic Tone[edit]

Several sentences are written in a mildly sensationalist tone, suggesting some non-neutral POV at work. In addition, some of this stuff seems to be rather anecdotal. Here are a few examples:

"Westwood, likely working with McLaren to encourage Sid's worst instincts sent him a tome to read, written by Charles Manson, to keep him occupied during his imprisonment."

"As 1977 came to a close, the Sex Pistols were arguably one of the most famous bands on the planet with vulgarity and obnoxiousness as well as Sid's hardcore punk personality as the absolute key to their ever growing stature."

"and she is said to have introduced Sid to heroin, even though Sid was already abusing multiple drugs that his mother Anne supplied him with before he had met Nancy."

"... the group fell apart, and Sid, along with Nancy in arms, was free to do as he pleased. In doing so, he embarked on a path to destruction, while recording ..."

" Furthermore, no one could forget the time when Sid carved the words "Gimme a Fix" on his own bare chest. "

"..Vicious was a reasonably competent bass player, as is evident in the footage of the gig, especially at the beginning during the soundcheck when.."

"he asked the interviewer if he was kidding (which meant an obvious no)"

This type of writing continues throughout the article. It looks more like something written by a fan than a recounting of documented events. The multitude of "citation needed" tags is clearly intertwined with this sort of interpretive writing. All this informal stuff really ought to be scrubbed.

Patrick of J (talk) 05:35, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

@Patrick of J:Please do, whatever your username is! Thanks! — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 08:04, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Bass player[edit]

@Seamo123: I've twice reverted you now. As you're new here, I won't give you an official warning for the second removal. It's WP:BRD, not WP:BR(∞)D. We're now at the D part, discussion. You deleted cited material, the fact that the link is a WP:DEADLINK is immaterial. If you want to argue that Vicious wasn't a good Bass player, then find a reliable source that says so. The alternate opinion can then be added to the article, thus maintaining WP:NPOV. Mjroots (talk) 16:53, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

On a first name basis[edit]

Why is his mother always "Anne"? It sounds too familiar and un-encyclopedic. Or is there a rule I'm missing? 178.39.122.125 (talk) 13:21, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

It's not uncommon to see on Wikipedia when family members are being discussed and there's some chance (admittedly very small here) that using only surnames could lead to ambiguity. Weedwhacker128 (talk) 17:27, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Criminals from London category[edit]

I don't know whether Sid should be categorised in the Criminals from London category, because he was a punk rock musician, not a criminal who dedicated his life to committing crimes. It's true that he got arrested for throwing the glass at The Damned, but it ended up blinding a girl in one eye, drug possession and assault offences as well as allegedly murdering Nancy, but it was never proven if he did kill her or not, because a) he had no recollection of actually occurring and b) he died before his trial could take place, so the NYPD closed the books on the case.61.69.217.3 (talk) 02:53, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

This article does not mention Alan G. Parker lied to "Final 24" that Anne Beverly confessed to deliberately giving Sid Vicious the fatal does[edit]

The article on Alan G. Parker does indicate the that what was told to "Final 24" was a lie, but this reference was removed from this article. Can this be researched and corrected? Dkf12 (talk) 01:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)